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trainsinanime
trainsinanime

I always get a little bit mad when I see people saying, “Marinette has double standards when it comes to how she treats Chloé vs. how she treats Alya and that’s not fair”. It’s sometimes part of salt, but not always; a lot of people are saying that. And they are correct, of course. Marinette gives Alya her Miraculous back even though Hawkmoth knows, and even gives it to her permanently, but Chloé is left out in the cold.

The problem I have with that is: There are very, very good reasons why Marinette would apply different standards to Alya and Chloé. One is her best friend, someone she trusts a lot. The other is a long-term bully and thief who is incredibly self-centred and only very rarely cares about someone other than herself.

Marinette treating her friends like they’re her friends, and people who aren’t her friends like they’re not, is not an unreasonable unfair double standard; it’s how human beings in the real world work.

Does Chloé deserve a Miraculous? I really don’t see why. Just because she used it effectively a few times? Given that most of the skill with the Miraculous seems to come instinctively (as long as Marinette doesn’t keep trying to micro-manage you with it, see Reflekdoll), that’s really not saying much. The condition for getting a Miraculous is being someone Marinette trusts. Alya is trustworthy because she’s been Marinette’s close friend, confidante, cheerleader and partner in crime since forever. Chloé… well, I guess she said “sorry” for her constant self-centered behaviour once or twice, back in Zombizou. That’s not the same thing.

(Marinette’s decision not to tell Chloé that she was being retired, yeah, that was wrong of her. But I can also totally understand it, since I tend to delay difficult conversations by years on average.)

Remember, it’s only a double standard if the situation is the same. And since Alya and Chloé are not the same person (unlike Nino and Luka) and don’t have the same kind relationship with Marinette, it is not a double standard if Marinette treats these as different situations.

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alexseanchai
mayhematician

I think a lot of abled people get confused about ableism because they fail to recognize how diverse a category disability is. There are so many kinds of disabilities - intellectual, sensory, motor, chronic illness, neurodivergence, limb differences, to name a few - and people in these categories will have different needs.

Which is why you often end up with disability advocates saying seemingly "contradictory" things. One group may be advocating for more support while another wants increased independence. People with a terminal illness will fight for a cure and more research whereas some ND/sensory disabilities want to stop having their experience medicalized, and so on. The kinds of ableism that people experience will also vary for that reason.

And having one kind of disability doesn't make you an expert on all of them! Which is why it's important to have diverse disability rep within organizations and groups. I've encountered organizations in the past that claim to be accessible/disability friendly because they have one disabled person on their board, only to find them woefully unequipped to deal with my very different disabilities.

This disability pride month I really encourage abled "allies" to examine the ways they try to flatten disability into a monolith and to make an effort to listen to and uplift diverse disabled voices.

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